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Feb 19, 2022, 11:05 am
#6301
lkrt
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Originally Posted by manywhere
Just noticed in a check in email:
Last time I asked, AY doesn't serve any alcohol on domestic ATRs. Anyone seen differently?
Not on those but on KTT, IVL, RVN at least.
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Feb 19, 2022, 11:09 am
#6302
WilcoRoger
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AY must use the same consultants as everybody else. In our totally unrelated business, they came up with the same "megatrends", just using different stock pictures*.
*e.g I fail to see what a blonde girl walking in a Nordic birch forest has to do with sustainability.
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Feb 19, 2022, 11:31 am
#6303
Flying Yazata
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That AY pitch is anyway outright dumb. As, if the political and financial importance of the United States and other Western nationstates would be somehow in doubt for real. But sure, if AY wants to focus on growth economies, then let's get serious with some of the fastest growing nationstates with routes like:
HEL-CAI, HEL-EBB, HEL-DAR, HEL-RGN, HEL-VTE, HEL-PNH, HEL-CGK
Cut the Curry Lamb and one certain A. A. Milne character appeasem*nt for some true growth. 
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Feb 19, 2022, 11:43 am
#6304
intuition
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
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*e.g I fail to see what a blonde girl walking in a Nordic birch forest has to do with sustainability.
At Finnair, we have identified hair bleach as one of the big threats to our environment. Therefore, as a sustainability measure, we will no longer accept blondes onboard our aircraft.
Another major threat are local furnaces, being the number one producer of harmful particles (PM2,5) causing heart, lung and respiratory diseases. PM2,5 has scientifically been linked to a substantially increased mortality in the population.
Birch wood is a sought after firewood due to its energy and handling properties, but the killing side of Birch has been swept under the rug for too long. Finnair is therefore taking a firm stand in the fight for cleaner air and healthier life, and from tomorrow we will be banning all travellers owning a mökki, a sauna or is otherwise connected to the dirty birch wood industry.
As a result of these two actions, we have now effectively banned all Finnish citizens from flying with us. We have already begun to move our base from Helsinki to Arlanda, and to further reflect our future without losing touch with our history, we have initiated a change name to Fin-air ("Kiva airline") to reflect our niceness.
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Feb 19, 2022, 12:18 pm
#6305
mpkz
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Originally Posted by intuition
Regarding the sustainability: Someone wrote in a thread here along the line: "the fixation with sustainability is like Finnair is trying to appeal to people who never will fly anyway".
I thought is wal well put, and I I cam to think about it when I browsed the annual report and found the four "megatrends impacting Finnairs business", where it looks to be listed as the number one:
As these mega-trends "offer numerous opportunities, but also add new requirements for conducting business", p
Regardless, I think this shift in what they will prioritize will be sustained.
Sustainability is semi-important to many people who fly frequently and are probably important customers. Those being corporate customers (not that it's not important to holidayers as well). Basically the people that don't care are the people that post here that somewhat masoch*stically fly a lot for pleasure, but lots of companies in fields that require a lot of travel (like consulting) want to either be reassured that their travel is sustainable (even though it is not) or to be made sustainable in some way.
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Feb 19, 2022, 12:26 pm
#6306
zxcv1
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Originally Posted by mpkz
Sustainability is semi-important to many people who fly frequently and are probably important customers. Those being corporate customers (not that it's not important to holidayers as well). Basically the people that don't care are the people that post here that somewhat masoch*stically fly a lot for pleasure, but lots of companies in fields that require a lot of travel (like consulting) want to either be reassured that their travel is sustainable (even though it is not) or to be made sustainable in some way.
so youre volunteering you wont be heating your house next winter, driving a car, having kids, or having a life at all? None of that is sustainable. Will you sacrifice these things for the planet?
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Feb 19, 2022, 12:29 pm
#6307
OH-LGG
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What is sustainable travelling and what is non-sustainable travelling?
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Feb 19, 2022, 12:35 pm
#6308
kauppias
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
What is sustainable travelling and what is non-sustainable travelling?
Non sustainable traveling is when you go bankrupt, and sustainable traveling is when you Amex bill does NOT bankrupt you 😁😁
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Feb 19, 2022, 1:31 pm
#6309
FFlash
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Originally Posted by Flying Yazata
That AY pitch is anyway outright dumb. As, if the political and financial importance of the United States and other Western nationstates would be somehow in doubt for real. But sure, if AY wants to focus on growth economies, then let's get serious with some of the fastest growing nationstates with routes like:
HEL-CAI, HEL-EBB, HEL-DAR, HEL-RGN, HEL-VTE, HEL-PNH, HEL-CGK
Cut the Curry Lamb and one certain A. A. Milne character appeasem*nt for some true growth.
That dra åt HELVTE route sounds interesting
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Feb 19, 2022, 1:41 pm
#6310
Flying Yazata
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Originally Posted by kauppias
Non sustainable traveling is when you go bankrupt, and sustainable traveling is when you Amex bill does NOT bankrupt you
My version would've been:
Sustainable travel is HEL-DEL-HEL B2Bs for maximum AY+ ROI, never flying direct (especially important for certain FFPs), getting maximal ROI in the form of lounge and on-board F&B, having a free AY+ Platinum drink (too bad I don't get mine anymore), try to maximise your FFP earnings for status and award credits and hoarding loads of award credits for redeeming even more flights. 
Unsustainable travel is not having a FFP account, not doing ex-TLL/*insert anything, but your actual departure country* and just overall never getting to experience anything, but the main security, public waiting lounge, boarding group 6, having an aisle seat in row 36, next to the lavatories. Proper poor pauper misery. To me, that sounds like unsustainable suffering, rather than sustainable air travel.
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Feb 19, 2022, 1:48 pm
#6311
Flying Yazata
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Originally Posted by FFlash
That dra åt HELVTE route sounds interesting…
I suspect the biggest issue - at least in the realm of FT, would be the lack of a lounge at the airport (unless I'm mistaken about it). But then we'd have one HELVTE kiva status chasing route most likely. 
VTE doesn't have even QR, so it would be quite a hardcore destination.
Anyway, my tongue in the cheek was quite obvious with the list. 
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Feb 19, 2022, 11:46 pm
#6312
WilcoRoger
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VTE is an excellent airport - compact, easily navigable, not crowded…
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Feb 20, 2022, 3:10 am
#6313
Courmisch
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Originally Posted by intuition
As these mega-trends offer numerous opportunities, but also add new requirements for conducting business, perhaps Finnair has come to the conclusion that those who never will fly still poses a serious threat to the business, so it is imperative to impose limitations on those who do actually want to fly. Or maybe they actually think there is business opportunity in the sustainability branding.
Or they just bet that those Elokapina youngsters will come into the fold as they grow older, and start raising families and earning real monies. Or they expect that there may be regulatory pressure for them to become more sustainable, or at least to perform more intense green-washing, especially if they do not do it proactively.
(By the way, having children is generally estimated to be the single worst possible action in terms of carbon footprint.)
It might not be as inane as people here think or wish it was.
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Feb 20, 2022, 3:55 am
#6314
ffay005
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
(By the way, having children is generally estimated to be the single worst possible action in terms of carbon footprint.)
And what an example our red-green government is setting here, with everyone pregnant save for the foreign minister.
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Feb 20, 2022, 4:06 am
#6315
kauppias
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Originally Posted by ffay005
And what an example our red-green government is setting here, with everyone pregnant save for the foreign minister.
give him time 😁
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